Comments on Text Patterns: he, she, they

Sorry about the HTML, Michael, which is limited in...

2009-07-30T16:38:00.000-05:00

Sorry about the HTML, Michael, which is limited in the best of circumstances — and the comboxes are still asking for email addresses, aren't they? — though I was told that they wouldn't. I'll get an update when I can, and hope for a quick transfer to a better blogging platform.

Thanks for the great links, Chaka.

Crud. I guess I did the html wrong. I was quotin...

2009-07-30T15:47:00.000-05:00

Crud. I guess I did the html wrong. I was quoting this:

It's good to know that Austen used the construction a lot, and that it shows up in the KJV, but but what I may want to know is whether it'll bother the reviewers of my grant proposal, and that depends on how often they're used to seeing it in grant proposals. I just saw it in a conference paper I was reading, and it jumped out at me — I really don't think it's established itself as commonplace in that kind of writing.

But seriously, this is the real issue (from the co...

2009-07-30T15:46:00.000-05:00

But seriously, this is the real issue (from the comments at one of the language log sites):

It's good to know that Austen used the construction a lot, and that it shows up in the KJV, but but what I may want to know is whether it'll bother the reviewers of my grant proposal, and that depends on how often they're used to seeing it in grant proposals. I just saw it in a conference paper I was reading, and it jumped out at me — I really don't think it's established itself as commonplace in that kind of writing.

Know your audience and speak their language.

Sheesh. Here I thought you were living in the 21s...

2009-07-30T15:35:00.000-05:00

Sheesh. Here I thought you were living in the 21st century. I suppose you still have trouble using "you" instead of "thou"?

Singular they is even older than the shift from thou to you. Check out that quote from the Deuteronomy 17:5 in the KJV. God said it, I believe it, and that settles it.

I've been keeping up on this debate (see http://as...

2009-07-30T14:53:00.000-05:00

I've been keeping up on this debate (see http://askchaka.blogspot.com/2009/07/whats-twitter-good-for.html), but I hadn't read Mark Liberman's posts. Fascinating. Have you looked at Anatoly Liberman's article, though (http://blog.oup.com/2008/10/anatolyliberman-plurals/)? I don't know that any of Mark's examples meet Anatoly's challenge.

There's nothing to debate; they and their are plur...

2009-07-30T11:39:00.000-05:00

There's nothing to debate; they and their are plural pronouns. They cannot be used to refer to singular nouns. And it is not and has never been some grand injustice to ask people to use "he or she" or "his or her".